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Topic 38        Mon Dec 03, 1990
R.MARSHALL17 [Joanne]        (Forwarded) 
Sub: AUTOCAD & OTHER CAD PROGRAMS           

Are there any Autocad users interested in a bulletin board on GEnie? The GEnie
rep tells me he gets inquiries every 4-6 weeks.

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Message 2         Thu Dec 06, 1990
J.ATTARD [Janet(sysop)]      at 00:19 EST
 
Joanne, how to use a program is a topic for the hardware roundtables. See
category 3, topic 53 in the IBM RoundTable if the CADD roundtable doesn't have
the information you want.
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Topic 39        Wed Dec 05, 1990
J.ATTARD [Janet(sysop)]      (Forwarded) 
Sub: Topics on the Move                     

This topic will contain a list of topics that have been moved from one place
in the bbs to another.  Aladdin users and others who read by category and
topic numbers might want to mark this
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Message 2         Wed Dec 05, 1990
S.CONROY1 [Sonsie]           at 23:31 EST
 
Ugh! It's taken me a week to unsnarl Aladdin to the point where I get the
messages I want, and now I gotta go back in and rescramble everything. Oh,
well...there's so much to read here, I guess it won't hurt (TOO much).
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Message 3         Thu Dec 06, 1990
J.ATTARD [Janet(sysop)]      at 01:00 EST
 
Sorry, Sonsie, but if we don't do that from time to time we wind up with
topics in 5 different categories on the same subject.. makes it kind of hard
to find what you need to know that way. 

Since we do pull things off the bbs as they get old (or when the  topic stops
getting much action), and new topics are always being  started, it's a good
idea to update your Aladdin index periodically, anyway, unless you are
browsing all new messages each time you log on.

When we pull things off the bbs, incidentally, we usually save what's worth
saving and post it in the library so the content isn't gone, even if the old
topic is. --Janet
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Message 4         Thu Dec 06, 1990
CAPT.NEMO [Rocky]            at 01:14 EST
 
 Del *.*
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Message 5         Thu Dec 06, 1990
J.ATTARD [Janet(sysop)]      at 01:24 EST
 
Rocky, see cat 5, topic 32 message 64. Hehehe.. I wrote that before seeing
your message here.
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Message 6         Thu Dec 06, 1990
MELODY.SHOP [Zakary]         at 19:27 EST
 
 Uh, Janet, did you use *s or *sn to post that?  What a mess!
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Message 7         Thu Dec 06, 1990
HOLLY2                       at 20:02 EST
 
Nawwwwwww... that's how she ususally types :)
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Message 8         Fri Dec 07, 1990
J.ATTARD [Janet(sysop)]      at 02:27 EST
 
rats.. sorry about that.. I just saw it.. I must have used *s.
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Message 9         Fri Dec 07, 1990
J.ATTARD [Janet(sysop)]      at 02:32 EST
 
 Sorry about that mess! Here's the list of moves so you can read it:

 Category 1   Topic 1    moved to Category 1   Topic 38 
 Category 1   Topic 13   moved to Category 2   Topic 31 
 Category 1   Topic 9    moved to Category 2   Topic 32 
 Category 1   Topic 34   moved to Category 3   Topic 27 
 Category 1   Topic 20   moved to Category 3   Topic 28 
 Category 1   Topic 36   moved to Category 3   Topic 29 
 Category 1   Topic 22   moved to Category 6   Topic 41
 Category 1   Topic 35   moved to Category 6   Topic 42 
 Category 1   Topic 30   moved to Category 8   Topic 22 
 Category 1   Topic 28   moved to Category 8   Topic 24 
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Message 11        Sat Dec 08, 1990
J-V-K [Joni]                 at 18:35 EST
 
Kinda looks like I need to have Aladdin update my topic list!

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Topic 32        Sun Nov 04, 1990
M.GOODWIN6                   (Forwarded) 
Sub: Starting a tax preparation business    

 Thinking of starting such a business in January.  I have no certification as
a CPA, only a Business Administration degree.  What are the requirements with
the IRS for preparing returns for others? Suggestions from RT members welcomed
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Message 4         Tue Dec 04, 1990
D.DAWKINS                    (Forwarded) 
 
Let me start by introduceing myself. My name is Dexter and I to am interested
in starting a tax preparation business in Janurary. I have already applied for
a state, city and county privalage lincense. I am looking for a good tax
preparation program that will surport  electronic fileing of multiple returns.
I would also like to find out if it will be better to use a professional or a
personal program. Any suggestion anyone can offer will go a long way.
                      Dexterh
[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D*h
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Message 5         Tue Dec 04, 1990
JEFFCHASALOW [Jeff]          (Forwarded) 
 
I do believe that we spoke of this previously in another topic, or  even here.
I would suggest that you look into  AMTAX - it has both a professional, and
personal version, and can be used for electronic filing. The problem you're
going to have with electronic filing is that you haven't started getting the
appropriate permits from the fed's soon enough. If you do start your tax prep
business this year, and you want to file electronically, you're going to have
to find someone else who already has the  fed permit andhas been approved
anduse them for this year, and get your own permit for next year. Have fun...
Jeff
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Message 6         Wed Dec 05, 1990
E.PIKE [ED PIKE]             at 23:49 EST
 
Dexter, I have been doing tax returns for years for my kids and I started with
the H & R Block tax course.  I worked for them for one year before I moved
away.  I worked for an independent tax preparer in Florida for a couple of
years with no problems.  As far as I know there are no educational
requirements to be a tax preparer.  The problems might come in if you do it
wrong and the client gets audited and they find you to blame.  A good and
proper  thing to do is what Block does "pay the penalty if we're wrong, but
not any additional tax you may owe" (or something like that).

The tax software I have been using to do my family's returns (3 kids and a
sister-in-law) is Turbo Tax.  They have the electronic filing software also. 
The cost is reasonable for the personal program and they have a professional
program for doing more exotic returns, like corporate and out of state
returns, etc.  Check Money Magazine for info, or PC Magazine.  They will be
reviewed in PC Mag or possible PC World around the end of the year.

Good luck.

ed

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Message 7         Thu Dec 06, 1990
J.ATTARD [Janet(sysop)]      at 01:04 EST
 
If you aren't thoroughly familiar with the tax laws, it would be  a good idea
to get that background, too.  And maybe E&O insurance if you could get stuck
paying penalties if returns you do are  incorrect.
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Message 8         Fri Dec 07, 1990
S.CONROY1 [Sonsie]           at 02:31 EST
 
        People are getting more and more particular about who does their taxes
and how they are done. I have a good friend in the business who started with
the H&R BLock classes, then worked for them, then taught for them. He did lots
of research along the way and decided to become an Enrolled Agent. An EA is
licensed to argue tax cases before the highest court that deals with them,
like a lawyer or a CPA; he/she has to pass a rigorous exam and is licensed by
the feds & the state. People are becoming more and more familiar with that
abbreviation and look for it.
        I think the small tax operator has to have something to wean people
away from the CPA or law office - some sort of alternative certification. The
EA thing seems to fit the bill.
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Message 9         Sun Dec 09, 1990
E.PIKE [ED PIKE]             at 01:03 EST
 
Sonsie, the biggest thing that "weans" people from the CPAs and law offices is
the price.  There are a lot of folks who are qualified to prepare returns who
don't charge an arm and a leg as do the CPAs for the most part.

As an example, I prepared the return of a self-employed hair dresser one year
and charged her $75, I think, and the year before a CPA did basically the same
return and charged her $300.  Quite a difference and the return was just about
the same and the numbers came out pretty close to the same.  The differences
were primarily because of differing income and expenses.  The deductions that
the CPA got for her were the same ones we got and I didn't look until after I
had figured out the return.  Then I compared mine with the other.

ed

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Message 10        Sun Dec 09, 1990
A.ROSENBALM                  at 10:51 EST
 
You really should register with the IRS. You get your own little  number to
put on the forms that you have done and a catalog (can't remember the pub.#)
of forms and booklets which you can order. This will also let you get the big
package for free every year (Every form known to man and the treasury) 1040's
are pretty easy to do but I suggest that you get some training before tackling
an 1120 or 1065, they can get hairy very rapidly. Good luck,

j. *s
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Message 11        Sun Dec 09, 1990
S.CONROY1 [Sonsie]           at 16:00 EST
 
        Ed, I agree--the price difference is really important. I know; I did
our taxes without help for years, until I realized that I could do taxes for a
living or earn my living & let a tax person deal with them!
        First stop, a CPA (this was before I knew about EAs). I bit the bullet
on price because I needed professional help. As soon as my friend got into the
business, I switched over to him & have been extremely happy with his service,
price, and expertise.
        The reason I'm so hot on EAs may be because my friend has told me so
much about the training and what they can do in terms of Tax Court, etc. But
also, I think people who are doing "red flag" things such as deducting home
office expenses want and need more of a sense of security about who does their
taxes.
        Sounds like you are offering a great service at a fair price, and we
need more of that!

-Sonsie
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Topic 27        Sun Dec 02, 1990
R.OWENS9                     (Forwarded) 
Sub: EMPLOYEE LEASING                       

STAFF LEASING OF EMPLOYEES TO RELIEVE BUSINESS OWNERS OF THE BURDENS OF
EMPLOYEE ADMINISTRATION. EMPLOYEE LEASING COMPANIES LITERALLY HIRE EXISTING
EMPLOYEE AND LEASE THEM BACK TO THE BUSINESS OWNER
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Message 1         Sun Dec 02, 1990
J-V-K [Joni]                 (Forwarded) 
 
Staff Leasing... yep I thought about looking into the concept since I do
supply "temp" personnel to area businesses... but have never really
investigated it fully!

= Joni =

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R.OWENS9                     (Forwarded) 
 
Just wanted to put some information on employee leasing here.  The concept got
its start in California (like most unique concepts do) aboutabout 15 years ago
with the trucking industry.  Those that had a bag of money could literally
lease everything from the trucks to  the management to the drivers themselves.
The next big players to take advantage of employee leasing were doctors.  They
were bound by retirement laws to provide the same pension to their staff that
they themselves received.  Not wanting to pay out such tremendous funds they
decided to lease their staff...an "Employee Leasing" company came in, hired
their entire staff, and then leased the very same  peoppeople back to the
doctor.  Now since the only employee the doctor had was himself, he/she was
free toive himself whatever level of pension he wanted.  Well, the IRS got
wind of this, passed a few laws, including Section 414N of the tax code, and
employee leasing as it is known today came into being.  The gist of the new
laws stated that if a company leased at least 20% of their staff, then the
leased employees must be entitled to the same benefit package the non-leased
employees had.  Now, however, leasing companies have benefits packages that
rival Fortune 500 level benefits.  Most companies that take advantage of
employee leasing do so for their  entire staff - from the CEO down to the new
guy on the loading dock. The concept is very simple - the leasing company
comes in, hires all the the existing staff, then leases them right back to the
business owner(s).  This allows the business owners to get out from under
thXrPQw0^50.`Yn G/-\Yt administrative burden of having employees - doing
the tax deposits , the tax filings, 941's, EEO compliance rules, human
resource administration - all of the things that don't make the business owner
a penny.  The leasing company takes on all of those responsibility.raSZe3XJE
ND*s@?
,6pEg{?s/z|-t]O'O`RP$ 2jbQl;6wes.  And the business owner
loses no control over the staff.  He still has the right to hire or fire, he
still has  the the right to pay the wages he wants to pay (within legal Wage &
 >Hour guidelines), the employees still report to the business owner ;5Wbut
the leasing company takes care of the administrative burdens.
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Message 3         Tue Dec 04, 1990
MILLERTJ [P.R. GUY]          (Forwarded) 
 
My group, Capital PC Users Group in the DC area, has 5,600 members and just
went to having a full-time office manager.  To avoid the hassle, we had an
outfit "lease" us the employee that was selected (from our membership). 
So...our office manager knows us well, already has shown an interest in
computers by having been a member and committee (educational chairman), and
someone else worries about her medical and other benefits.
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Message 4         Sat Dec 08, 1990
R.OWENS9 [Ray]               at 13:46 EST
 
Most business owners didn't start a business to be a paper pusher for the
government.  But that's what happens in several cases.  If you've got under
150 employees, chances are you spend an unearthly amount of time doing tax
filings, quarterly wage reports, EEO compliance audits...those things that
don't make you a dime - but have to be done or else you face thousands of $ in
fines.  I know of a company here  in Ohio that had a fifty employees
misclassified for Workers' Compen- sation.  The state fined him $50,000 *plus*
all of the back premiums he should have paid all along.  It wasn't that he was
trying to get away with something - it was an oversight that he never caught. 
And the state came down hard.  

With Employee Leasing, those headaches are taken away forever. Since the
leasing company literally is the employer of record the  business owner has
absolutely no liability for tax filings, etc.  In the case I just mentioned,
it would have been the leasing company's headache for that misclassification
instead of the business owner.  

Having leased employees enable a business owner to concentrate on  running his
business - not shuffling papers for Uncle Sam.  It allows him to do the things
he know how to do (and unless you have a back- ground in personnel
administration - what do you know about taking care of the government?). 
Leasing companies do these administrative tasks full time - their personnel
are experts in personnel admin- istration.  They have the time to keep up with
legislative changes, etc., that would affect a business owner.
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Message 5         Sat Dec 08, 1990
D.HENSLEY1 [Dave Hensley]    at 16:14 EST
 
Seems to me the question of whether to lease employees is simply economics -
is the leasing company's fee more than I would have to pay a bookeeper to
handle the administrative functions in-house?

I owned a manufacturing business in the late 70's and early 80's that
employed, at its peak, about 220 people.  Thanks to my TRS-80 and Radio
Shack's accounting software, I personally handled all the payroll and related
government reporting including state and federal unemployment, worker's
compensation, and payroll tax reporting. Frankly, it wasn't that big a deal
(the administrative work, that is - the amount of the various taxes and
insurance premiums is another matter).  The whole process could be completed
in 2-4 hours per week, plus another hour or two when quarterly reports and
annual reports were due.

I guess my point here is that business owners should realize that when they
contract something out, they better be certain that it's something they really
can't handle internally, because by definition, they're just not going to save
money, compared with doing it internally.  In employee leasing, ALL of the
hard costs are still being paid, including salaries for the bookeepers who do
the work.  Plus, the additional cost being paid is the profit to the leasing
company.

(-:  Dave Hensley  *  Dallas, Texas   :-)

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Message 6         Sun Dec 09, 1990
L.MERRICK [Lew]              at 09:37 EST
 
For quite a few years I was a job-shop engineer.  This is what you are 
referring to as leased employees.  WARNING:  In 1983, Boeing in Witchita had a
number of "job-shoppers" who were brought in as 1099 employees.  The job-shop
had offered them 1099 as a way to make it look like they were getting more
money.  (Boeing sets rates for "temps" across the board and all the shops get
paid the same for a given type of temp.)

To make a long story short, the job-shoppers working under the 1099 status did
NOT pay their taxes.  When IRS started hounding the job-shop which "employed"
the 1099'ers, the job-shop folded and disappeared.  The IRS decided that
Boeing was truley the employer of these people and went after them.  Boeing
did not fight it, they paid.  The precedent is set and the users of temp labor
are now considered liable for the taxes of temps.

Since I work under a 1099 agreement with several companies, I feel the impact
of this decision daily.  My father used to tell me that law was the practice
of swallowing elephants while straining for gnats.  Here's a law that proves
that.

Lew
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Topic 22        Mon Nov 26, 1990
S.FAIN                       (Forwarded) 
Sub: Copywrite                              

Just need information.
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Message 5         Sat Dec 08, 1990
G.ELMAN [Gerry]              at 17:14 EST
 
Shawn:  I am one of those patent attorneys.
        One can search for trademark registrations by using onthe online
databases called Trademarkscan on the Dialog service.  Anyone can use it, but
there are some tricks of the trade to getting "hits" for  marks that are
similar to but not identical with the actual mark you propose.  That's why it
helps to use us people who have been trained to use these techniques.
        One should also check out unregistered uses of similar terms for
similar products.
        --Gerry Elman
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Topic 24        Sun Nov 25, 1990
JWGANNON [Joe]               (Forwarded) 
Sub: Buying a business                      
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Message 13        Wed Nov 28, 1990
SEITZINGER [Kent]            (Forwarded) 
 
Well, it sounds to me as though you're really paying for is training and
business contracts as well as good will. If the entire package seems to be
worth the price then the deal may be okayt (but verify his accounts and his
standing with the accounts). Another way to measure the price is to ask
yourself if you would be willing to pay his price for JUST the training and
contacts, without any guarantee that you would retain any of his former
customers. If the answer is "yes" thenm i seems to me, that you have an
acceptable deal. Good luck. =Kent=
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Message 14        Fri Nov 30, 1990
J.WILLIAM120 [Johnny]        (Forwarded) 
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Kent: "However, it does not necessarily follow that any of my clients would
find someone to whom I sold the business acceptable to represent them (perhaps
the new attorney is completely competent but has a boring personality).  The
other side of this coin, it seems to me, is that the client DOES need SOMEONE
to whom to turn. And the purchaser of your 'business' is, in effect, 'buying'
the chance to be the first one contacted [C(OK, Nero Wolfe Fans, 'contacted'
is NOT a verb!) for the particular type of service. It goes without saying
that the purchaser will have to 'earn' the right to continue to be the
'supplier,' but at least the foot is in the door1

                            Regards - Johnny
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Message 15        Fri Nov 30, 1990
SEITZINGER [Kent]            (Forwarded) 
 
Johnny, you're right about the first foot in the door. However, the question
is just how much is that worth?

I'm merely suggesting that its not worth what most sellers (and seller's
agents) would have you believe its worth.
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Message 16        Sat Dec 01, 1990
L.MERRICK [Lew]              (Forwarded) 
 
The idea of a "foot in the door" is common, but in the engineering profession,
it is nearly worthless.  The GOBS (Good Old Boy System) runs the industry. 
You're either a member or you're not.  Only years of working in a field will
qualify you for the "Yeah, I've heard of you." response.  I know that when I
walk into a company that, if they're looking for engineering assistance, two
or three phone calls will be made about me.  If they don't get a "Yeah, he's
pretty good." answer on at least one of these calls, then it's file 13 for
that contact.

The advantage of a GOBS based industry is that it filters out the ones who
don't deliver.  The flip side is that it also filters out the untried or
unproven ones who WILL deliver.  I've been working this trade for more than
fifteen years and am only now being accepted in the GOBS.

Lew
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Message 17        Sat Dec 01, 1990
J.ATTARD [Janet(sysop)]      (Forwarded) 
 
Hmmmmmmmm........the other problem with the GOBS system is it's realllllll
tough sometimes for women to get into that network...BUT...hehehe..  then
there's the GOGS that's starting to evolve.  What's really needed is the GPS
network....(good people system).  (notice I left "Old" out  of that <Grin>)
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Message 18        Sat Dec 01, 1990
SEITZINGER [Kent]            (Forwarded) 
 
Janet. Why would YOU leave "old" out of the nomenclature? <---<ducking>

What Lew said is really true in many professions (including law). Until you're
,ore of  a known quantity, it really doesn't matter whether or not you're good
at what you do. Unfortunately, buying the "practice" of one of the GOB's (or
GOG's as the case may be) doesn't afford you automatic entrance into the
fraternity or sorority. =Kent=
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Message 19        Sat Dec 01, 1990
J.ATTARD [Janet(sysop)]      (Forwarded) 
 
Kent, why of course, so no one could call YOU old. :)
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Message 20        Sat Dec 01, 1990
R.GREENBERG5 [ROY]           (Forwarded) 
 
Lee--Did you have a bad experience with a lawyer in your past-- perhaps your
little brother was bitten by one?  We're not such a terrible bunch of guys.  A
lawyer may very well save you thousands of dollars, and that should be worth
something.

By way of illustration, let's look at a point that Kent raised in another
roundtable but hasn't been examined here.  If the business is purely a service
one, you must make darn sure that the seller doesn't start up a competing
business after the sale, because his old clients will flock to him.  You need
a "covenant not to compete" which is a sometimes tricky legal issue.  Drafting
that properly is only  one example of why you want a lawyer.  A major legal
mistake will destroy the value of the entire deal.  Roy
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Message 21        Sun Dec 02, 1990
SEITZINGER [Kent]            (Forwarded) 
 
Right, Roy, and the real problem is, in your example, that a major legal
problem may APPEAR totally innocuous to someone unsophisticated. For example,
merely making the terms of a covenant not to compete to excessive might
eliminate the provision. =Kent=
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Message 22        Sun Dec 02, 1990
T.SMITH99 [SANDRA]           (Forwarded) 
 
Lew,

Same in my field.  Takes years before you get recognition, and if you're not
<male> you have to REALLY be good.

Sandra
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Message 23        Mon Dec 03, 1990
E.PIKE [ED PIKE]             (Forwarded) 
 
Kent,

Johnny said most succinctly what I was trying to say earlier about the
"goodwill" thing.

That being the case, I agree with your last statement in the message I'm
replying to:  "I'm merely suggesting that its (sic) not worth what most
sellers (and seller's agents) would have you believe its (sic) worth."  I
inserted the sic to indicate that there is an incorrect usage of the
contraction "it is" and I left it uncorrected.

ed

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Message 24        Mon Dec 03, 1990
L.MERRICK [Lew]              (Forwarded) 
 
Sandra,

The problem of dealing with the GOBS is not so much one of gender as it is of
time.  I was unpopular among my peers in the 60's when I said that most
affimative action plans were designed to fail.  I said that then and I say
that now based on the concept of apprenticeship.  I am a member of two Craft
Guilds (not Unions).  The North European Luthier's Guild and the German
Machinist's Guild.  When the GOBS is tied to the Guild system the key is to
keep the apprenticeships open.  Granted that it takes ten to twenty years to
be invited to submit a master's piece, but then the skill is assured for all
to witness.  By eliminating the skills rating system we are left with a GOBS
of social and cliquish standings.

It IS hard to infiltrate into the GOBS, but it MUST be done.  The ideals of
the GOBS is indicative of those who are the majority of it.  As such it should
come as no suprise that the ideals currently are: conservative, white, and
male.  This will only change by example.  It cannot be "forced", but it can be
controlled by opening the ranks of the GOBS.  The ranks can and do open for
skill.  As the joke once said, "I can only get in by being twice as good as
they are.  But, fortunately, that's not a problem."

Total Confusion and Anarchy IS the Order of the Day!

Lew
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Message 25        Mon Dec 03, 1990
JWGANNON [Joe]               (Forwarded) 
 
Well, GOBS 'n GOGS notwithstanding, I realize the necessity for the noncompete
clause and its potential for being over-restrictive.  However, in this case I
don't feel there's much to worry about since the gentleman selling has  just
turned 70 and his wife has just retired from 33 yrs gov't service.   They want
to relax, do yard work, travel, etc.  A 20-yr friend of mine  has known the
seller for about as many years and supports his reasoning for selling.  Kent,
I have to say you have raised a key issue for me with your posting of the
question:Another way to measure the price is to ask yourself if you would be
willing to pay his price for JUST the training and contacts, without any
guarantee that you would retain any of his former customers. If the answer is
"yes" thenm i seems to me, that you have an acceptable deal. Good luck. =Kent=
So thanks again and I'll keep you all posted.  Joe G. in N. Potomac, MD
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Message 26        Tue Dec 04, 1990
T.SMITH99 [SANDRA]           (Forwarded) 
 
LEW

AMEN to that! <Grin>

Sandra
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Message 27        Tue Dec 04, 1990
J-V-K [Joni]                 (Forwarded) 
 
I'd say that settles it!  :)

JoniM370;1
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Category 8,  Topic 24
Message 28        Wed Dec 05, 1990
SEITZINGER [Kent]            (Forwarded) 
 
Well, slap my hand!  Thanks, Ed, for today's English lesson. If you look at
many of my messages you will occasionally see a "your" instead of "you're", a
"there" instead of "their", an "its" instof "it's", as well as other mistakes
of haste (including a wide variety of typos. All are due to haste unless you
all choose to pay me for my efforts here at my billing rate of $150/hour, in
which case I  will personally guarantee correct grammar, spelling, no typos,
etc. Since I don't have any expectation that I will be paid anything much less
$150/hr, I'm afraid you'll have to be offended from time to time, Ed.
Sorry.[B =Kent=
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Category 8,  Topic 24
Message 29        Wed Dec 05, 1990
MACLEE                       (Forwarded) 
 
Aw c'mon, Roy! Where did you ever get the idea that I am anti laywer?

Your "slick" remark about "A lawyer may save you thousands of dollars and, 
that should be worth something." smacks of the filter commercial "pay me  now
or pay me later."  (I don't have a brother). .(grin) and... Joe G. in Potomac.
you have stated that the business owner has perofrmed this "service" in the DC
area for 20 years or so, and then you  said that this service does NOT exist
elsewhere in the DC area?  That would scare the heck out of me!

The DC area (yes Waldorf is now included and even shows up on the local 
weather maps once in a while) is undoubtedly one of the most competitive
marketing arenas in the entire US and to think of a service being performed
here for 20+ years with NO competition is frankly hard to envision!  

Perhaps I missed something in the previous dialog (not uncommon these days)
and I most certainly am NOT attempting to throw anything negative your way  so
have I missed something here?

(P.S. Roy - I love Kent Seitzinger)

/Lee
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